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  1. #1
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    Default My first hand of $1/$2 in a real casino, 34bb pot

    I still feel inadequate as a poker player, I knew that a lot of the guys at my table had a whole lot more live in a casino experience at poker than me so I felt like the fish at the table despite all the hands I'd seen in my 3 years which probably adds up to several hundred thousand hands of poker, 4 tabling nearly every day Online often with an HUD. I tried understanding the thought processes of the villains at my table, but I just couldn't comprehend the reasoning behind their moves, so perhaps the Live players there and on here know something about the game that I don't because I try to think of what my opponents have and how I would play their cards if I held them. My best guess based on a super small hand sample size is that they preferred a loose-passive play style over my play style which is TAG and LAG.

    I only played about 10 hands just to get my feet wet and I only got in 1 pot worth mentioning, I was also fearful that the regulars would pick me apart despite my almost full dedication to the game over the past 3 years so I wanted to get in and get out a winner hopefully if I could. I'm going to eventually start regularly visiting the casino, however I'm aware that all my Online Experience, which is close to every hand of poker I've ever played, doesn't translate into me being a extrordinary, great, or good NLHE live player since they're two different breeds of the same cat, even if I have a win rate in my Online game and can consistently win at Online Poker.

    Currently I play 100nl online and I'd like to say I have a small win rate, so I'm under a vague assumption that I could run into superior competition to myself at a $1/$2 live table given that the stakes are higher than what I play currently even though I'm 4 tabling when I do it.

    Ok so I'm UTG+1, 100bb in my stack. UTG open limps. This move confused me, because I never open limp UTG. Did he know something that I did not? TO me that's telling me he has a weak hand and wants to see a cheap flop, but given he was a $1/$2 regular presumably I don't know, I've never met any of these guys before in my life and have no reads on them. I virtually never open limp and I rarely limp my SB, I usually PFR a standard 3.5bb so I don't telepathically communicate to my opponents that my hand is weak, such as the pocket I held.

    I limped behind him, cut off limps, button raises 1.5bb to $5. This also confused me. THis was an older gentlemen I assume he had played years more of poker than I had since I was the fish at the table. The 1.5bb raise with 3 limpers and a BB and SB still left in the hand to ME seemed rather pointless. If I have 3 limpers and the blinds in the pot, I'm gonna raise 3 or 4bb+ 1bb per limper. I suspect he had a broadway hand given how the hand played out and his extremely small PFR.

    It was $3 to call so everyone calls, except maybe the SB so theres now $26 in the pot. Another reason I wouldn't raise supersmall like he did, such as raise and then everyone including the BB and maybe the SB would call.

    Flop comes rainbow

    It's not looking great for my 2's at this point but I don't have much invested so that's ok.

    The BB checks, open limper checks, I check, cutoff checks, PFR'r button checks. Given this flop if I had any sort of a hand I would have raised the flop from late position since I don't want 4 people seeing a free turn card, but I dunno what he was thinking to be honest.

    turn is a but I'm not really worried about any backdoor flush draws seeing as how weak my holdings are at this point in the hand and I'm just a limper.

    BB check, UTG checks, I check, Cutoff checks, button checks.

    River:

    Wasn't really sure if this truly was a gin card since it was the weakest possible full house on the board. BB bets $5 or 2.5bb, UTG bets $5. Given that the pot was not $36 at this point, I didn't fully understand why someone would raise less than 1/5th of the pot for a river bet, can anyone elaborate on the thought process behind this move?

    I decided I might go for a little value given that I now have a full house, and I raise 15bb or $30 as I'm not really sure if my weak fullhouse is truly good since someone may have slowplayed perhaps a suited king that potentially could outdrawn my small fullhouse, or a better pocket pair and caught a better fullhouse and slowplayed it til river.

    cutoff folds, button calls the $30 bet for a $66 pot, BB and UTG folds.

    I showed the dealer my pocket 2's, I don't know what the old man was playing but I'm suspecting he was slowplaying trip kings with perhaps a decent or even good kicker, and I sucked out on him, he insta mucked his hand.

    If he was playing trip kings in a 5way pot, why would he have slowplayed it and allowed 4 other hands to get 2 free cards? Even if I had a decent pocket pair, I wouldn't have let 4 people get 2 free cards all the way to river and then try to bluff catch when someone finally acts in the hand.

    I don't really fully understand the thinking behind the way he played it. Could someone with much more live experience than myself explain to me how to go about these $1/$2 Casino games so I can understand my opponents and maybe beat them in the future? I'm planning several trips to the casino in the near future to see if I can beat live as well as I am currently now beating Online Poker.

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    It's simple. there are no regs at $1/$2 no limit in a casino. They mostly suck. You will never be able to understand their logic because they have none. Just go back and think $2Nl online. It is the cheapest casino game so that is where all of the fish congregate. All of the good players graduate to $5/$10 and up. Granted, you will get a player here and a player there with skills building a bankroll still in those levels. But for the most part it is old men used to limit poker who don't understand bet sizing and the aggressive game of today's poker.

    You were not the fish. They were! Sitting down with that mindset was your mistake. Getting up from a table of fish was another. Nothing in the way you played this hand was a mistake.
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    I typed out a nice long reply then I realized it said almost the exact same thing as jjpregler said right above me.


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    You mean there are people who buy in to poker for $200 in the middle of the day on a weekend that still suck at the game? I mean I usually expect fish to show up at the evening hours, the drunk spewtards and stuff like they do online. There was presumably no drunks at my table but I suppose it's plausible that you could be completely sober and still be very bad at NLHE.

    I was only there for about 10 hands because my dad hates casinos, we were on a sportscar run who's final stop was the casino and I didn't want to keep him there longer than he desired, so I only played about 10 hands. I'm getting some "work" done on my car soon and I"m basically going to hang out at the casino during evening hours every night.

    If you only start to run into halfway decent players at $5/$10 on up in the casino and I actually just ran into a large group of incredibly bad poker players (based on my very small hand sample it was very very loose passive), I'm wondering if my $100nl online skills could get me to $5/$10 or a notch higher and I could still manage to beat those stakes?

    If thats the case than I am potentially missing out on a massive amount of money not playing the stakes that I can beat due to being underrolled currently. In the last 5 months or so, my current poker skills have carried me from a melange mix of $10nl and $25nl to $50nl to my current game of $100nl online where there is some actual decent competition for my current skill level in my online game.

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    btw my math was off, this pot was just shy of 50bb not 34bb. Guess I didn't count my 15bb I bet on river.

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    quick comment: Make no mistake . . . .5/10 is 100 times more difficult than 1/2. A whole new level of poker which still includes the random fish with way too much money and an ego to match. That being said, if you really want to test yourself and not mortgage the farm, give 2/5 a try. Take small bites at the apple, build up your bank roll and your confidence and then keep moving on. Bankroll mgmt. cannot be understated. Bad swings will happen. Dealing with them and continuing to play solid poker is the key!

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